Final Presidential Debate: Who California Political Insiders Say Won

California partisans pick their winner of Monday’s final presidential debate in Patch’s weekly survey.

Patch surveyed influential California partisans following  and like the two candidates, the two parties seemed to agree on very little.

As expected, the parties sided with their respective candidates, with 11 of the 13 Democratic respondents naming President Obama as the clear winner. On the Republican side, however, only 4 percent said Mitt Romney overwhelmingly won the debate, but 10 out of the 18 respondents said the Republican challenger still won by a slim margin. Of all the respondents surveyed, the answers were split, with both candidates receiving 14 votes each for the debate win.

The Patch surveys are not a scientific random sample of any larger population, but are an effort to listen to a range of local Republican and Democratic political insiders, activists, leaders and elected officials in California. All of the individuals who took part in the survey agreed to answer questions following each of the presidential debates.

Other points of interest of the survey:

  •  While Romney’s “binders full women” was the buzz quote of the previous debate, Obama’s “horses and bayonets” comment went viral. When Romney said the U.S. “Navy is smaller now than at any time since 1916,” Obama countered, saying:

“You mentioned the Navy, for example, and that we have fewer ships than we did in 1916. Well, Governor, we also have fewer horses and bayonets, because the nature of our military's changed."

  • Both Democrats and Republicans pointed to that comment as a standout moment. One Democrat wrote that the Democrats will be “energized” following Obama’s comment. But one GOP respondent wrote that Obama’s comment was “ridiculous.”

“CA Conservatives love their military and Obama doesn’t…it’s easy,” the Republican respondent wrote.

  • Other key moments for GOP respondents were Romney’s criticisms on Obama’s “apology tour,” his responses on policies in Russia, Iran and Israel and his five-point plan for economic recovery.
  • Democrats wrote that Romney often times did not have a clear, distinguishable stance from Obama, with one writing, “Romney agreed with everything Obama was doing.” Another key moment for one Democrat was Obama’s challenge that Romney was inconsistent with his policy statements.  One Democrat respondent said a key moment was Obama’s comment that Romney’s foreign policy is outdated, inspired by the 1980’s, his social policy is for the 1950’s, and has an economic policy for the 1920’s.
  • Both parties agreed that the national media would portray Obama as the winner. On the Republican side, 38.9 percent said that Obama would be declared the winner by a slim margin, versus 22.8 percent believing Romney would be narrowly declared the winner.
  • Republican respondents were divided on whether Romney’s performance would increase the number of votes he wins in California, with 27.8 percent saying they “strongly agree” it would, but with 30.3 percent saying they were neutral on the topic.
  • 69.2 percent of Democrats said they “strongly agree” that Obama’s performance in the final debate would positively affect the number of California votes he receives.

Patch will be conducting Red California and Blue California surveys throughout 2012 in hopes of determining the true sentiment of Republicans and Democrats on the ground in California. If you are an activist, party leader or elected official and would like to take part in a weekly surveys that lasts just a few minutes, please email Patch Regional Editor Sandra Oshiro.

TD October 23, 2012 at 08:43 PM
California still stands a chance of survival if Romney is elected... Obama is killing our country's economy, world strength and power as a nation. He's clueless.
mary howell October 23, 2012 at 10:16 PM
Rubbish........Total Rubbish.
Johnny Utah October 24, 2012 at 03:44 PM
David Parker October 24, 2012 at 04:46 PM
Go Romney is right. We are screwed with the bunch in the White House now. CA is screwed with the bunch in Sac. And LA is screwed by all of the pols in charge.
David Parker October 24, 2012 at 04:47 PM
Hey, Mary Howell. How can you seriously vote for Obama after the last four years?
Carol Spencer October 24, 2012 at 06:17 PM
Thank you for the unbiased reporting. I was surprised when Diane Sawyer news stated that Romney was the winner of the debate, yet the Denver Post and others stated Obama as the winner. I do hope that each person votes their conscience. And remember, If Romney feels that Arizona's Medicaid is the future - just remember, Arizona stopped accepting any new Medicaid patients in July 2011. Is this what we want to do to those suffering hardships -then illness?
Duke Noor October 25, 2012 at 02:13 AM
"I always wish that Obama would be as nasty and arrogant with our enemies as he is with fellow citizens who simply disagree with him". Dennis Miller
catman October 25, 2012 at 02:25 AM
The choice in this election is very clear. If you believe that its the governments job to take care of you from cradle to grave then Barack Obama is your man. If you believe that governments job isn't to take care of you from cradle to grave and that people need to learn how to take care of themselves then you should vote for Mitt Romney. And that's exactly why I'm voting for Romney.
patti rodriguez October 25, 2012 at 03:44 AM
wow............people are clueless................ do you really think that republicans really care about anyone making less then 250,000 dollars a year............. Really??
Watts October 25, 2012 at 04:12 AM
Why even write this article if you are going to have the respondents anonymous? It isn't as if you are polling thousands of private individuals, you state at the beginning that they are "... influential California partisans..." So to be any more influential than the barista at Starbucks or any other person on the street, I have to assume that these are public figures. But if they are, why are they not listed and why are they not associated to their quotes? Seriously, what is this article supposed to even represent? Are these a bunch of people who consider themselves (and who the author considers) public opinion makers? If so, why are they not named? This is a ridiculous piece of "journalism." Name names or don't even bother writing the article, because for all I know, this is your cousin, coworker and some other politically opinionated nobody's in your personal circle, that you are anchoring this whole piece on.
Dale Smith October 25, 2012 at 05:20 AM
I agree 100%, If Obama is re elected unemployment is going to go up immediately because he blackmailed defense companies to stop layoffs until after the election. The economy will crash by next summer due to all of the Obamacare and other taxes that go into effect Jan 1st, only a president with balls to stop Obamacare and lower our taxes will save the economy. Obama supporters will be turning against him once the Obamacare fines get kicked in next year, but it will be too late as the Democrat Politicians were smart enough to make the fines active after the election.
Dale Smith October 25, 2012 at 05:22 AM
Anything is better than what we have got from Obama over the last 4 years.
Dale Smith October 25, 2012 at 05:24 AM
Ain't that the truth.
Dale Smith October 25, 2012 at 05:26 AM
Do you really think Obama does, get real, all he cares about is his puppet masters and rich Democrat friends and entertainers. He has done nothing to help the middle class over the last 4 years.
David Parker October 25, 2012 at 06:01 AM
Patti, Do you think for yourself much? Where did that 250,000 number come from? Do you know any republicans? Seriously... I am not out to slam you. Take a deep breath and think about it all. I did. Ivoted for obama in 08 and I finally began to question all of the rhetoric and found out that it interferes with my plans for success. It doesn't help it hinders. Before you take everything anyone says as gospel. seek the facts from all sides and then make a decision. you might surprise yourself with your decision.
Ray Waters October 25, 2012 at 06:52 PM
We stand the same chance of revival under Romney as Europe has under the austerity budgets proposed by conservatives there.
TD October 26, 2012 at 05:56 PM
Anyone who really wants to understand how Obamacare will effect THEIR medical care, should speak to a doctor. As an example, hospitals are going to be fined if a patient returns within 30 days of being released, for any reason, for care related to the primary condition that admitted them. How are doctors ad hospitals going to provide the best care under these restrictions. Think about it. Why take on the financial risk? What will they need to do to protect themselves? How can a doctor or hospital control the outcome of a patient? How can they control what he or she does after they leave the hospital to guarantee a good outcome? Did they even take their medication correctly? Most doctors spend 50% of their time actually praticing being a doctor and the other 50% on paperwork. It is only getting worse. Most surgeons start their career with at least 100 - 200k of debt at 30-35 years of age. Who is going to practice medicine with what Obamacare offers? You think medical care is limited now? Get ready to take a number and wait in line for a doctor trained out of country who practices here. Why do you think people, who have the means, come to America for medical care? Because as of right now we have the best doctors in the world. Not for long folks. Not with Obamacare and what it "offers" young people trying to decide on medicine as a career for the long term. The math doesn't work, especially in private care medicine. The overhead costs are climbing too fast.


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