Ryan Scores Lower Among GOP Insiders Than Biden With Democrats

California political activists from both sides said their candidate won in Thursday night's debate between Vice President Joe Biden and U.S. Rep. Paul Ryan. But Republicans came away less enthusiastic about their candidate's performance.

California partisans gave Thursday night's debate win to their candidate after an aggressive Joe Biden tried to make up political ground sparring with Republican candidate Paul Ryan in the vice presidential debate in Kentucky.

Still, the level of happiness with Ryan's performance among Republicans failed to match that of Democrats with their candidate's, according to Patch's flash poll of influential California party members.

Vice President Biden took the offense against the GOP congressman, who responded in calm, wonky terms, giving voters a rare chance to see the two together on a national stage.

While 85 percent of the 13 Democrats taking the Patch survey said Biden won the debate by a wide margin, only 44 percent of the 18 California Republicans who returned the poll said the same.

Asked who the national media would judge as the winner, Democrats responded that 62 percent would give the win to Biden while only 5 percent of Republicans thought the same of their candidate.

GOP insiders were also asked if they agreed with the statement that Ryan's debate performance will increase the number of California votes for Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney. Seventeen percent strongly agreed.

When the question was put to Democrats whether Biden's performance will increase California votes for Obama, 62 percent of the Democrats strongly agreed.

Republicans were critical of Biden's demeanor, with one chiding the vice president for his "disrespectful interruptions and derisive laughter" and another noting his "smirks and disrespectful chuckles."

For their part, California Democrats were clearly happy with the debate at Centre College in Danville, KY, but they were pointed in their comments contrasting Biden with that of the president's lackluster performance in the first presidential debate on Oct. 3. 

"Biden was a breath of fresh air - Obama should take note," said one Democrat. Another noted: "Obama needed this one and now it is in his camp."

Obama next meets Romney on Tuesday at Hofstra University in Hempstead, N.Y. CNN political correspondent Cindy Crowley will moderate the town hall meeting.

Our surveys are not a scientific random sample of any larger population, but rather an effort to listen to a swath of influential local Republican and Democratic activists, party leaders and elected officials in California. All of these individuals have agreed to participate in surveys, although not all responded to this week's questions. 

Patch will be conducting Red California and Blue California surveys throughout 2012 in hopes of determining the true sentiment of Republicans and Democrats on the ground in California. If you are an activist, party leader or elected official and would like to take part in a weekly surveys that lasts just a few minutes, please email Sandra Oshiro.

Eric Dee October 16, 2012 at 06:00 PM
@ those responding on Brian Nails post, and especially the person from obviously another planet, Brian is right on in his post. Since when is smiling bad...? I too would smile in glee if my opponent was as unfocused and generalised in his responses as Paul Ryayn. What do you expect from a kid who has just recently reconciled his religious views and finally denounced his long time mentor Ayn Rand? I am very amused at a site that shows a picture of Mitt Wrongly. The pic on the site states Welcome to Mr. Romneys Neighborhood were me and Paul Ryan get our facts! Hilarious, but very true!
Eric Dee October 16, 2012 at 06:07 PM
@ Arthur, can you show me one bill that Paul Ryayn has successfully gotten through the House. NOT ONE! Now there is a record not worth running on! And don't even get me started on Mitt Wrongly... how can anyone even think of discounting 47% of the population and seriously run for the Presidency...? Debates are nice but let's also consider the record. Let's face it after tonights debate Mitt Wrongly will again be on the defensive!
Joe Smith VIII October 16, 2012 at 06:11 PM
Nixon started the EPA, but not KAISER, is it called Nixoncare...no Kaiser Steel started it & it was around long b4 Dick took over as POTUS...he did hire that classic con Spiro Hand me the $50k Agnew.....
Irene DeBlasio October 16, 2012 at 06:12 PM
@geoffharris The world has changed a lot in 80-plus years. There was no FDIC back then. People invested in the stock market by putting up only 10%. There were no credit cards (no welfare, social security nor medicare). You're attempting to compare the proverbial apples and oranges. I'd like to chat with you at length but I do have other responsibilities and a blog post to write on tonight's Presidential Debate for StudioCityPatch. Thanks for all your comments and lively dialogue. BTW, on the big "FAIRNESS" issue, how much of someone else's hard work are you entitled to?
Eric Dee October 16, 2012 at 06:17 PM
Yeah and Romney jumped to a conclusion before examining the facts. We a bad enough name in international circles without Mitt Wrongly jumping to conclusions and blaming the President for ignoring a situation in Egypt that was totally unrelated and only occurred hours before the Bengazzi incident. Then it was revealed that Wrongly was just waiting for an excuse to show the President up,,, Good job Mr. Wrongly again, you look like a Baffon to quote some of the moronic tea partiers posting here!
Joe Smith VIII October 16, 2012 at 06:20 PM
Yes capitalism amok is good, but Bain would typically buy a Co., then pay the purchase off with a loan to company, saddling it with DEBT & then they crashed, many of them, Home Depot, they gave lik $50k & apparently Mitt invented lumber, BAIN did not make 34x its money on Staples from what I saw. Mitt & Bain write off everything, off shore their $$, sell off co. assets, defund & bankrupt pension plans, what Bain did was the climax of the old junk bond era, legal yes, ethical...maybe not but hey this is a society not cave man days, the purpose of government is to govern & make life better, road, higways, public safety SOCIAL SECURITY, now why its there the titans of the 1920's socked away more wealth @ the 1% then anyone (Except NOW!) every had, when it came crashing down some jumped out windows, but the GOP still claims that Hoover solved it & FDR make it worse...? Opportunity? Yes....who does Mitt hang with the Polo & caviar set? He pays less in taxes every year then I ever have. Since I was 16 I worked & paid 20% & up over the years, bet you MItt paid very little in fed taxes for ALL the years he refuses to release because they would pick on him, lord knows nobody picks on Presidents or candidate, Obama is not perfect, but Ryan, Mitt & FOX have become pure whiners....Women voting for these guys are being sold a bill of goods on reproductive rights & futures warS these guys may lead us to if elected...Mitt Russia our #1 enemy!!
Eric Dee October 16, 2012 at 06:21 PM
Yeah I wish I could vote Green, however that would effectively give a vote away to the Wrongly/Ryayn ticket! Millionaires are not going to take care of Americans, only Wrongly's fellow Millionaires and Ryayn's Tea Party Compatriots! Wake up, and defeat the Monarchists, vote Democratic.
Joe Smith VIII October 16, 2012 at 06:24 PM
GOP has become the Greedy Old Party, no taxes, no health care, no social security, kill Medicare, its been the goal since the start....the cuts will allow more military might to fight??? Russia, al queda? where Mitt, back to Iraq?? Is not it time to build something here in the USA? Obama's first year had a built in $1 trillion deficit, he has built on it, but Bush2 has some blame, unfunded wars off the books, tax cuts in the fact of debt, etc.
Eric Dee October 16, 2012 at 06:24 PM
No Tom, that would be putting a Tea Bagger like Ryayn in the Presidency... after Mitt gives everything to his Millionaire buddies!
Joe Smith VIII October 16, 2012 at 06:25 PM
Bork now there was a friggin wiener...yes I meant to spell it that way....the Amish Judge! (no insult to Amish intended!!)
Joe Smith VIII October 16, 2012 at 06:27 PM
True, FDR did some good things for the economy, but in reality WWII 'ended' the depression.....he may have let Pearl Harbor occur to get the USA into the war- what would FOX et al., do with that today?
Joe Smith VIII October 16, 2012 at 06:28 PM
Irene please don't forget your ththe to Brother John Birch, gheesh the UN boogeyman? Get real!
Joe Smith VIII October 16, 2012 at 06:32 PM
IRENE: You know Romney's plan?? Interesting cause he has never said it beyond cutting taxes, regulations, the EPA & drilling for oil in Ryan's hair.....Romney/Ryan d not answer ??s granted neither does Obama quite often, but you must admit you know where he stands, Mitt is a 1-2% thru & thru.....his base....we'll see the Middle class has been crushed by the 1-2% who hold 60% of the private assets, earn 70% of the income paid for WORKING (no counting their untaxed dividends, do you make $1,000s a year off DIVIDENDS, who does?) so they cry when they pay more taxes?? Boo Hoo, here the smallest violin on Martha's Vineyard is playin for MItt......
Joe Smith VIII October 16, 2012 at 06:34 PM
Bain pays there workers enough for a $1 McDouble & cup of water for lunch...hey the caviar has to go somewhere kids! Mitt is wearing his lucky mink sox tonight, I heard it on Hannity!!! Yee doggies.................
Eric Dee October 16, 2012 at 06:53 PM
@ Irene, I am a JFK era Democrat, true he was not impeached, convicted etc, he paid a much higher price. I am not a Corporate kind of guy, but I do own quite a bit of AAPL stock. I am a non-AT&Ter, as I feel that they are one corporation who was spoiled for so long as a monopoly, now there is a word that no politician wants to hear, that the continue to give to candidates they think they can buy off. Oh Yeah, that's Mitt Wrongly/Paul Ryayn! That corporation in fact has no consideration for an individuals time as proved by my experiences with them... they canceled my appointment to have U-verse installed after initially assuring me they could provide it to my home. The kicker is they never called me to tell me the appointment was cancelled on their end. So, the moral to this is, if you do not have millions or do not belong to Ryayn's Tea Party and the Wrongly/Ryayn ticket is successful in November, you WILL lose!
Carol Elliott October 16, 2012 at 07:55 PM
Romney-Ryan 2012 is the ONLY way to save the Country. We cannot afford 4 more years of this Obama administration. Anyone who has been living in California for the past 30 years knows what the Democrate party has done to diminish the State. Lets make sure the same does not happen to the great United States of America.
archie's bunker October 16, 2012 at 08:51 PM
Save us from the disaster of W.'s reign? Even with an obstructionist, filibuster mentality of the GOP, things are in fact slowly recovering...
bbkong October 16, 2012 at 09:00 PM
True, Geoff. Even if congress GOP keeps operating the way they have for the last 4 years it's by far preferable to replacing Obama with a tax cheat who eyes everything as a possible profit, lies every time he opens his mouth and wants to get back to prosecuting those profitable wars and being the bully on the world block.
Joe Smith VIII October 16, 2012 at 09:28 PM
Carol which of the countrie$ that Mittens & Mrs. Mittens park their ca$h will be saved- Switzerland? Cayman Islands>? There is so much hatred of Obama that it effects the ability to govern- you hear so much about destroying the country? Huh by making people have health insurance? By trying to get alternative energy going, by raiding medical marijuana collectives? Romney & the right wing have expressed utter contempt for the environment & refuse to consider global warming (evolution 2?) exist.....by spending $ on people not warcraft, etc.....
Ken Griffen October 16, 2012 at 09:33 PM
Can you really imagine Joe Biden as president. If you saw Ryan as smug and dishonest surely you must have seen Biden as the nut case that he really is.
Eric Dee October 16, 2012 at 09:37 PM
@ Carol, Horse Feathers!!! Is that what you really believe, boy do you sound desparate. I live in CA and have for 59 years and am still doing well. You perhaps need to get a life and stop and smell the daisies.
Cece Stein October 16, 2012 at 10:01 PM
As Californians remain in denial that their state is circling the drain, the rest of the country can observe which Party is responsible! Perhaps California can be a lesson to other states who have had Democratic control for too long! http://www.professorbainbridge.com/professorbainbridgecom/2009/06/is-california-going-down-the-tubes.html
Eric October 17, 2012 at 12:01 AM
@Lash LaRue I'm not sure if your comment is even meant to be taken seriously, but spreading such misinformation is both ignorant and offensive. Civil rights during the late 19th century was primarily a north vs. south issue, not a Republican vs. Democrat issue. The modern Republican party was formed in 1854 and came about primarily to combat slavery. Lincoln was the first Republican president and was obviously a key player in abolishing slavery. However, to say that Democrats supported slavery is completely misleading. The Democratic party was immensely fractured at the end of the 19th century. In fact, in 1860 there was both a Northern and Southern Democrat running against Lincoln for the Presidency. Your comment would be accurate if you had said "to vote for a southern democrat in 1860 would have been to vote for slavery" because that is precisely what it would have been. To present statistics from 150 years ago as relevant to the political culture of today is simply foolish. The Democratic party of today supports civil and political rights much more than the Republican party of today does.
Eric October 17, 2012 at 12:16 AM
Cece, how is your link even relevant? It is an opinion piece that was posted the same year Obama took office.
Dick Carter October 17, 2012 at 03:19 AM
No surprise that Cece is living in the past - Repugligrunts do that for a career. Hindsight is their only virtue. Anyone thinking Romney is their savior needs new meds.
John October 22, 2012 at 02:59 AM
Biden came off like he thought he was better than Ryan and everyone else for that matter. Biden tried to deliver zingers but they weren't even relative to what he was trying to direct them at. A bad zinger really makes the one delivering them quite pathetic at best.
Eric Dee October 29, 2012 at 04:22 PM
@ John, can you name one? Otherwise we can disregard your inane post.
Eric Dee October 29, 2012 at 04:29 PM
So because you think so it must be true, I see no indication things would have been any different. Remember Carol the Real Estate Market tanked in CA b4 Obama came to office in 2007 and the Bushmen were in office then letting things run wild oh yeah and wasn't that lying Schwartzeneger also in office then. So please enlighten me how can the party that originally put us in the toilet be the answer to getting us out? The Rehouligans have no new ideas, in fact the Bushman solutions are all they are offering.
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Eric Dee November 06, 2012 at 04:09 PM
Hey it's D-Day, hope Mitt Wrongly and Paul Ryayn are ready to get an A$# kicking from the Jackass and Mr. Obama, yes, that's Mr. Obama to u!


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