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Top-Two Primary Hurts GOP, California Republican Insiders Say

Patch's first Red California survey finds that 40 percent of Republican insiders surveyed believe the top-two primary system has hurt their party.

A large percentage of California Republican insiders believe the top-two primary system approved by voters in 2010 has hurt their party: That's the primary finding of Patch's inaugural Red California survey of influential Republicans.

The 40 percent of Republicans who thought the top-two system hurt their party formed a plurality. Twenty-nine percent said the top-two primary system has helped the GOP and 31 percent said it has had no partisan effect.

"Because Democrats dominate politics in California that'll give them an advantage in the elections,” one respondent wrote. “So, I foresee that this will not redound well for the Republicans. Hope I'm wrong."

Another respondent said indecision under the new rules also hurt Republicans: "The Party could not make up its mind on how or whether to endorse candidates before the Primary. The result was weak candidates or no representation in some races."

Voters in 2010 approved Proposition 14, the Top Two Candidates Open Primary Act, and the primary election in June was the first statewide election conducted under the new rules. Under the new system, the top two overall vote-getters in the primary election will face each other in the Nov. 6 general election, regardless of their political party.

When asked if the top-two primary system would lead to more Republican candidates taking centrist positions between now and the general election, 54 percent of survey respondents said no and 46 percent said candidates would move toward the center.

"If they're smart they would, but who knows?" said Sherry Bebitch Jeffe, a senior fellow at the University of Southern California's School of Policy, Planning and Development and longtime California political analyst who surveyed the results for Patch. "Republicans and Democrats both have to reach out beyond their party space. They have to reach out to 'no party preference' voters and third-party voters."

Proposition 14 has its roots in the 2009 budget battle between ex-Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger and the state Legislature. The stalemate broke after state Sen. Abel Maldonado, a moderate Republican from Santa Maria, crossed the aisle and voted in favor of the budget and its tax increases in exchange for putting the top-two primary initiative on the ballot.

Proponents of the top-two system have said that its goal was to move both Republicans and Democrats toward the center to alleviate the polarization that has gridlocked Sacramento, Jeffe said.

"That was one of the major drivers of this initiative to make candidates reach out beyond the conservative party base among Republicans and the liberal party base among Democrats," she said.

It was interesting to note that a majority of Republicans said they didn't believe GOP candidates would move more to the center, Jeffe said.

"It may be true and they will probably learn a lesson from it," she said.

A majority of respondents, 53 percent, said they either disagreed or somewhat disagreed that Democrats would take a super-majority in the state Senate in the 2012 elections.

Even if Democrats do take two-thirds control of the state Senate, it's unlikely they would get two-thirds control of the state Assembly, which means Republicans could still block any attempt to raise taxes, Jeffe said.

The Red California Survey

Our surveys are not a scientific random sample of any larger population, but rather an effort to listen to a swath of influential local Republican activists, party leaders and elected officials in California. All of these individuals have agreed to participate in surveys, although not all responded to this week's questions. The survey went out June 29 to July 9 and results reported July 10.

Patch will be conducting Red California and Blue California surveys throughout 2012 in hopes of determining the true sentiment of Republicans and Democrats on the ground in California. If you are an activist, party leader or elected official and would like to take part in a weekly surveys that lasts just a few minutes, please email Sandra Oshiro.

Red California Survey roster: Richard Adams (Studio City Neighborhood Council safety chief); Gary Aminoff (San Fernando Valley Republicans president); Michael Antonovich (Los Angeles County supervisor); Steve Baric (California Republican Party vice chair); Tony Beall (Rancho Santa Margarita City Council member); Susan Blau (Studio City political activist); Dion Bracco (Gilroy Council member, mayoral candidate); Sue Caro (County GOP chairwoman); Scott Carpenter (Orange County political blogger); Tamara Colbert (Tea Party member); John Colbert (Former Republican candidate for Congress); Dylan Conroy (Greater Toluca Lake Neighborhood Council representative); Irene DeBlasio (Republican activist); Steve Detrick (Elk Grove City Council member) Ben DiBenedetto (Studio City Neighborhood Council board member); Jane Diehl (Redondo Beach school board member); Chip Dykes (Oceanside City Council candidate); Laura Emdee (Redondo Beach school board member); Heidi Gallegos (Rowland Unified School District Board member); Andrew Gayner Carmichael (Patch blogger); Mike Gin (Redondo Beach mayor); Gil Gonzalez (State Senate candidate); David Hall (Mt. San Antonio College Board trustee); Alex Keledjian (La Canada Flintridge Young Republicans president); Ernest Koeppen (La Canada Flintridge resident); Becky Kolberg (Contra Costa GOP chair); Bob Kowell (Murrieta-Temecula Republican Assembly president); Greg Krikorian (State Assembly candidate); Jim Light (Balanced-growth advocate); Patrice Lynes (Activist); Larry Masuoka (San Juan Unified School District Board member); Brad McGirr (Rancho Santa Margarita planning commissioner) Gina McNelley (Capistrano Valley Republican Women Federated member) Bridget Melson (East Bay Tea Party chair); Mark Meuser (State Senate candidate); Nathan Mintz (Former AD66 candidate); Larry Molton (California GOP member); Roger Niello (Sacramento County Chamber of Commerce president); Gayle Pacheco (Republican Women Federated member); Chris Pareja (Congressional candidate); Al Phillips (State Assembly candidate); Jim Reardon (San Juan Capistrano resident); Al Restivo (Former La Canada Republicans Club president); Matt Rexroad (Yolo County supervisor); Scott Schmidt (Former LA Chapter Log Cabin Republicans president); Howard Schmidt (Chief of staff for Sacramento County supervisor); Nick Shih (Activist); Suzanne St. John (Activist); Mary Su (Walnut mayor); Gino Sund (Altadena Town Council member); Peter Tateishi (State Assembly candidate); Brad Torgan (LA Chapter Log Cabin Republicans president); Steve Vaus (City budget review committee member); Bob Walters (Former San Juan Unified School Board member); John Webb (Businessman).

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CLaude Todoroff July 20, 2012 at 05:53 am
What a shock. Really? If you learn you California history you would know we had a similiar system in California prior to 1962 I believe. That system allowed candidates to run in the other parties primary elections. If you won the primary elections of both parties there was no general election contest. Republicans loved this system. However, somewhere along the way the Democrats were able to get rid of this "open primary" system and you ended up with the system we had until 2010. Aren't there Republicans in California that know state history or have half a brain? This was all foreseable. I apologize if there are some minor errors in my California History it has been 44 years since I took California Politics from Prof. Schlessinger at CSULA.
venice beach rider July 20, 2012 at 11:27 am
Weather you vote republican or democrat dont the same big banks run the country anyways so.whats the difference ? Are they even counting votes on those computer voting machines ?
KingSlav July 20, 2012 at 03:42 pm
Of course it hurts Republicans. That's why Democrats overwhelmingly supported it.
Tom Burke July 20, 2012 at 03:58 pm
When the Democrats control so much of the state we have very little choices. My suggestion is to vote for the canidate that is commited to bring our state in financial balance. God knows the far left has weakened and is bankrupting Cali8f.
Skraeling July 20, 2012 at 04:32 pm
to be perfectly honest...Republicans hurt Republicans...so much so that the controlling Dems actually look good, when we all know they are as corrupt as anything in the past..Take Wendy Gruel or Yaroslavsky, does anyone seriously think these people are out for anything but themselves? Yet, when up against the present day Republicans, they look like real public servants....I am registered GOP and cannot vote for one, not one, Republican today...
Shripathi Kamath July 20, 2012 at 04:35 pm
How? The Democrats have been winning elections in California for ages, so this would not be the kind of risk they'd take.
Besides, it was championed by Arnold Schwarzenegger, a Republican, and was authored by Sen. Abel Maldonado (R-Santa Maria) who wanted Prop 14 in return for accepting a proposed budget. http://bit.ly/O28Tjc
90069 July 20, 2012 at 04:52 pm
We should have run-off elections for all offices. Enough with the binary, winner-take-all mess. Republicans are upset because Californians reject their narrow-minded agenda. If GOPers want more electoral gains, maybe they should improve their platform.
Another WorldView July 21, 2012 at 07:46 am
Great points Shripathi!
However it should be noted that Democrats did very litle to oppose the measure at the time. While in some instances it may hurt the Republican candidate - there are certainly conservative areas of the STATE, where it may result in two Republicans fighting it out in the general election - in almost every instance it will hurt so-called third parties (it would be nice to think of the Democrats and Republicans as adversaries - but the reality of the Washington Consensus shows otherwise). Since third parties rely on receiving 1% of the vote, for at least one STATE-wide office, each year in the general election - they will soon lose their ballot status under the prop 14 regime. It appears, that this was the ultimate goal, of the "top-two" primary system. Perhaps the Repub's thought that the redistricting would somehow wipe out their numerical disadvantage, in voter registrations. So for Republicans (at least) this is what they call being 'hoisted on your own petard'. I will spare them the solo - on the world's smallest violin...
Another WorldView July 21, 2012 at 07:52 am
Please don't refer to the other 'Corporatist' party, as being "far-left". We on the far left, agree with most political scientists, that the Democrats are the party most closely identified with the "center-right".
If you think that Barak Obama (or even Jerry Brown) is a "socialist" - you should compare him to candidates and platform of the "Peace and Freedom" party - which actually IS a democratic-socialist party.
Andrea Fine July 21, 2012 at 08:48 pm
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Matt July 23, 2012 at 12:34 pm
21% of California's electorate is now registered Independent and poised to overtake 2nd from the Republican party that currently holds 30%. Republicans in California are closely identified with socially conservative positions — on immigration, the environment, abortion and gay rights — that have put them outside the mainstream in a changing electorate. There is not one, repeat, not one Republican that holds a statewide office. They have alienated large swaths of voters, aligning themselves with social conservatives driven by Southern voters. They're almost becoming a cult.
TaterSalad August 30, 2012 at 09:06 pm
Tell me this isn't racist! This guy hates white people! " A shrinking group of people"?
http://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/BdjoHA5ocwU?rel=0
Arthur Christopher Schaper August 31, 2012 at 05:51 pm
I do not accept the view that the Open Primary has hurt Republicans.
First and foremost, the Open primaries has helped and served the VOTERS. Now the political parties, whether Democrat, Republican, or otherwise, will have to pay more attention to the views and values of their constituents, or an upstart from the same party can upset an incumbent. Republicans will be able to spring forward from this initiative, as well. I do know that in the long run, the Open Primary will hurt Democrats who have held the reins of power too long in the state of California without real accountability.
Another WorldView September 1, 2012 at 07:53 am
Wow, that's the most talking points per paragraph, that I've seen, since "Jeff Gannon" was servicing the White House press Briefing room, with his own unique version GOP-approved nonsense...
It hasn't worked out so well, for the VOTERS in the Waxman Vs. Bloomfield race - has it?
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